Oct 26, 2016

Pastor who took over Branch Davidian Church after cult leader David Koresh blames HILLARY for manipulating Waco slaughter as she feared the stand-off would 'stain Bill's first term'

24 October 2016

Pastor Charles Pace, who took over the infamous Branch Davidian Church in Waco, Texas, 20 years ago, believes that Donald Trump will change the country for the better.

And he says Trump and cult leader, David Koresh, who was killed along with his followers after a stand-off with the FBI in 1993, would have been allies.

'Koresh would have admired Trump. First of all, he believes in the Second Amendment, he believes in the guns, and also the truth,' Pace said in an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com.

And he lays the blame for the carnage at Waco two decades ago squarely on the shoulders of Hillary Clinton, who he believes was instrumental in ordering the end the siege became it was a stain on husband Bill's first term in office.

A tour of the compound, pictured here for the first time since the tragedy, still shows signs of the massacre at the Mount Carmel Center, in Waco, Texas, when, on April 19, 1993, 76 people - including 18 children - lost their lives at the end of a 51-day armed stand-off between FBI agents and the religious cult led by David Koresh.

Our exclusive images show that there are still haunting reminders of the camp that was burned to the ground, killing church members from the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada and Israel.

Koresh, who claimed he was the son of God, had built up a following at the Branch Davidian Church, where he had 13 wives and fathered 19 children. At least one of his wives was a minor.

He was also under investigation from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for gun dealing.

In a botched raid on February 28, 1993, four agents and six Branch Davidians died - Koresh was seriously injured.

The FBI took over, and began a standoff as Koresh and his followers barricaded themselves in the compound.

It ended when attorney general Janet Reno gave the go-ahead to attack the building and remove the members by force.

But in the ensuing chaos, the church building caught on fire in circumstances that are still disputed today.

Pastor Pace said that he believes that change is on its way. The political landscape as we know it will soon dissolve, starting with a Donald Trump presidency.

The pastor, who had broken off with Koresh and left Waco, returned from exile after Koresh died. He has overseen a more peaceful regime of the Branch Davidian sect since 1997.

The compound has now been rebuilt into a church, but Pace has made sure that no one forgets the victims or the survivors.

Koresh, whose name is written in stone as one of the leaders of the Church, even has his own shrine, where the crowning glory is a letter to all his followers, saying: 'I am the Son of God… you don't know me.'

Pace thinks the world should be grateful for the work that Koresh did - even though he admits his predecessor wasn't the Son of God.

He sees similarities between Koresh and Trump and points to Roger Stone, who served as an adviser to the Trump's presidential campaign and says it was Hillary Clinton who called the shots on Waco.

Stone says in his book, The Clintons' War on Women, that Hillary was dominant during Bill's regime as president and was impatient that the siege hadn't ended and was happening so soon into his first term.

Pace also points out that Trump is friends with Texas radio broadcaster Alex Jones, who claimed earlier this month that he had advised Trump on how the election could be rigged against him.

It was Jones' appeal to listeners that helped rebuild the Branch Davidians' Church on the site of the original compound.

Pace believes that Waco and Koresh have an affinity with Trump as they are both God's Messengers and fighting against one thing: Hillary Clinton.

'The government is the same government that has been lying for years, the Clintons. Trump is the one that's going after them because he's not afraid of them. I admire him, I believe he was raised from God to do this,' says Pace.

'The man [to do this] has to be financially flush, so God had to bless the man so he could be in that position, he had to desire to go against the globalists, he had to desire to make America great again. He's going after the corruption in the government, it's worldwide.

'We [the Church] have an affinity with the truth. That's why I say he's a God. If Jesus Christ came at this time, and he was standing up for the truth and the people, he would get the same treatment as Trump was getting. They're trying to crucify Trump.

'Christ got the same in his time - came against the Roman system and the Pharisees. When he came to enlighten the people and expose what was going on in the establishment, they hated him, that's why they crucified him.

'Koresh would have admired Trump, first of all, he believes in the Second Amendment, he believes in the guns, and also the truth.'

The Branch Davidians, a splinter of Seventh-Day Adventists, believe Christ's return to earth is imminent and that the scriptures give clues on when that Second Coming will be. Modern day prophets enlighten their members and preparing them for that day.

Koresh claimed he had the gift of prophecy, believing he was God in a physical form, 'the Lamb of God'.

He preached for 15 hours a day, believing that he had total control over all women on Earth and took 19 wives, fathering at least 13 children with them.

Survivors of Waco have remained loyal to Koresh, although Pace himself was in another state, having left Mount Carmel in 1984 after becoming embroiled in a power battle with Koresh.

Pace says Koresh 'perverted' the studies of the scriptures for his own sexual needs.

But Pace does believe that Koresh was a prophet - just not the Lamb of God - and started the war against the One World Order, a conspiratorial belief that a tiny global elite is controlling the world with its own agenda.

Now Trump is going to complete that agenda.

'Koresh prepared our hearts and minds to see what's going on in the future. It's been 23 years now, but it's still newsworthy, it's still prophetic. Trump and Koresh have similar paths, Koresh was the prophecy and Trump is the reality. Trump is the Man,' says Pace.

'Koresh had them for 50 days, chasing, scratching their heads: 'How the hell is the guy able to do this?'

'What ended up was that men and women, girls and boys, were innocently slaughtered and that's going to be a black mark on the souls of the government who came in.

'Everyone said they didn't need to do this. The Clintons were in power, they can't deny a lot of this stuff. Trump is the one that is right in their face. It's now being re-lived, but on a world scale.

'The Clintons are Satan's messengers. Clinton has blood on her hands, she was the one who was running things at the time. Hillary Clinton represents the globalists, she's their puppet, that's why they want her to be President of the United States. They know she's sick, weak, but they're propping her up so that she can be elected.

'They [The Clintons] are going after the prophets of God, anyone that's out there trying to promote truth, she wants to get rid of them. She has the spirit of Jezebel, and the fate of Jezebel is she fell out of a window and the dogs ate her up. I see the same happening.'


David Koresh was born Vernon Wayne Howell, in Houston, Texas, in 1959. Abandoned by his father and raised by his 14-year-old mother, he had a troubled upbringing because of his poor study and dyslexia.

He joined his mother's church, the Seventh Day Adventist Church, but was thrown out for relentlessly pursuing the pastor's daughter.

In 1982, he moved to Waco to join the Branch Davidians - a splinter group of his mother's church - and began preaching he was a prophet and human form of God, but was forced into exile by the founder's son George Roden.

Over the next five years, Koresh drifted around the world collecting followers, before coming back to Waco, where there was a coup against Roden and Koresh became the spiritual leader.

He claimed he'd been ordered by God to have as many wives and sex with whom he pleased. It's thought he had at least 13 wives and fathered 19 children at Waco.

Another member, Charles Pace, alarmed at Koresh's philosophy, formed another splinter movement in Alabama.

The end came when 80 armed agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms raided the Mount Carmel community to try and arrest him for supposedly violating federal firearms laws.

It was a disaster from the start as the cult had been tipped off and were heavily armed. A shootout began which forced the ATF to retreat and start the siege.

Meanwhile the FBI brought together what is thought to have been the largest military force ever assembled to deal with a civilian target, including 12 tanks, four combat vehicles and a total of 1,890 people in a show of force to persuade Koresh to surrender.

He refused and the negotiations went on for weeks with the property surrounded until the FBI decided it had waited long enough and went in after 51 days.

As the bullets rained down Koresh is supposed to have told his followers: 'Martyr yourselves. Go out, freak out, shoot...openly fire and get shot, but kill many before you die.'

At least, 76 people died, 19 of which were children. According to the FBI, Koresh was killed by his deputy Steve Schneider, who then committed suicide. There were at least a dozen survivors.

The incident remains one of the most controversial incidents of law enforcement action in American history. Some saw the raid as an unwarranted government intrusion into personal and religious freedoms.

Over the course of the next few years, survivors such as Clive Doyle lived in Mount Carmel and tried to maintain the movement, but then, in 1997, Charles Pace reappeared and claimed that he was now the spiritual leader. Some survivors were skeptical, but there seemed no better equipped candidate, and Pace, undisposed, has remained at Mount Carmel ever since.

Pace took DailyMail.com on a guided walk of the 77-acres owned by the church, now mostly grassland and pockets of trailer homes.

In the swimming pool, once was used for leisure by cult members, lies stagnant water, surrounded by plastic barrels.

Pace has been trying his hand at aquaponics - growing fish and plant life in one integrated system. His ultimate vision is to be surrounded by fruit trees, vegetables in the ground and animals roaming freely.

There's an old house at the back of the property, which was used by government snipers.

There are marks from where the tanks and snipers stood surrounding the compound and Pace says he's picked up dozens of CS tear gas canisters, a claim backed up Alex Jones.

Jones told The Sunday Times Magazine in 2013: 'When we dug up the footings for the church, we found flammable tear-gas rounds all over the place. They shot hundreds of them and there was an incredible amount of proof.

'Even if Koresh himself was on a delusional power trip, there was no reason to kill all these people. It was a trophy hunt.'

But Pace, who also goes by the name Joshua ben David (Jesus of Nazareth), has changed the name of the Church to Branch: The Lord our Righteousness - is not an apologist for Koresh, even if some of the survivors still believe he's the Messiah.

Since Koresh's death, Pace has fought a long-standing battle with others who believe themselves to be the rightful heir.

Clive Doyle, who lived on Mount Carmel for 40 years and managed to fight his way to safety through the flames, still believes in Koresh, even though his own daughter Shari became one of his wives at the age of 14 and perished in the fire.

After a few years of uneasy truce with Pace, he finally left Mount Carmel in 2006 and now lives in Waco.

'We survivors of 1993 are looking for David and all those that died either in the shootout or in the fire. We believe that God will resurrect this special group,' Doyle told NPR in April 2013.

But Pace believes that he is the 'anointed one' to lead the Church into more peaceful times, adding: 'Those that followed Koresh are a cult. We're not a cult, as we follow Christ. They were brainwashed, ready to die for the guy, and some of them still are, they still pray to the man, and believe he will be raised from the dead.'

The compound has become a weird tourist attraction and Pace wants to keep up with demand, already building an information office, and making Koresh-inspired souvenir DVDs for the dozens of intrepid visitors who turn up every day.

Pace is desperate to get the place back to its former glory and 'create a garden of Eden,' as he puts it. He bought an antique metal horse and cart skeleton, drove it all the way from Tennessee, optimistic that one day a mare will be ploughing the fields.

For now, it's just Pace, his wife Alexa, and son Ben, 21, who live on the site. Pace spends a lot of his day mowing the lawns rather than preaching despite losing one eye as a child and having his leg amputated in 2001 after an accident with a giant grass trimmer.

'I have more of a cyber ministry, my sermons and studies are online, I have people who write to me. I get them to come to me, I don't evangelize. My wife had an inheritance from her father, he was kind of wealthy, we're going through that very fast, then we rely on donations. I don't rely on the Church,' says Pace, who talks as a steady stream of tourists roll up in their cars curious as to what they'll find.

'But we have tourists coming here all the time. I'm going to open the information centre. I'm going to basically teach with videos, artwork and literature, so that people know what happened and what we believe. I'm going to promote the flat earth and that the Holy Spirit is feminine, which is unique to us.

'People come here from over the world, it's starting to get bigger. And what's coming with the election, it's all going to come up again. I believe it's the Lord that's doing it.

'In 1995, after Oklahoma, that year was the biggest, we had 7500 people here for the memorial. It was like a circus. Then it started dwindling, but the past couple of years, it's been going up again. We're talking 150 a week.'

He says that public perception of Koresh is changing, and that people no longer see him just, as Pace says, 'a self-righteous sex maniac'.

'I've had law students come with their professors for an afternoon, we talk for two hours, and they're not as anti-Koresh,' he says. 'I find they overlook the having sex with younger women, they don't think about it.

'What they look about it now, is that the government came in and they're ticked off that they slaughtered the people in here. They didn't let them believe the religion they wanted to.

'They see him more as a hero now. He's becoming a hero even in my own eyes, I used to think he was the devil. I now understand him. I can now look at David Koresh as a person, he was serving God and believed in what he was doing.'

Pace also considers himself to be like Trump and Koresh, a messenger from God, and says he's not put a time limit on how long he'll be at Mount Carmel.

Pace says: 'God has a way of getting his own way. If he wants me here, I'll be here. They've tried all sorts of ways to get rid of me, but they can't.

'There's people who don't want us around. Anyone who can possibly put up with all the negativity from the public, it's worse from the locals than people from the outside. They don't want to be associated with David Koresh and what he believed. But it's been very peaceful because of me. The sheriff said we'd rather have you than anyone else, you're not promoting guns like before.

'I'm the last man standing, the Lord has kept me on. I believe we're living in a time where prophecies will be fulfilled and people will transcend death, there's going to be a strong possibility I won't die. I think I'm going to be taken to heaven and brought back to earth.

'This is a Holy site, so this will always remain. The heart of Texas is Waco, it's also called Jerusalem de Brazos by the Waco Indians. Waco means Principled or First People.

'Waco has had five spiritual leaders here, they've tried to exterminate us, but I don't think the Lord will allow it.'


A new book by one of Donald Trump's main advisers claims that it was an impatient Hillary Clinton who ordered the FBI to attack the camp with CS gas and tanks

Political commentator Roger Stone, who served as an advisor to the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump, says it was Hillary Clinton who called the shots on Waco and left 76 people dead.

He says in his book, The Clintons' War on Women, that Hillary was dominant during Bill's regime as president and was impatient that the siege hadn't ended and was happening so soon into his first term.

Stones adds: 'While Bill can play an affable yokel with political skill, it is Hillary who wears the pants in the political relationship and served as a virtual co-president, steering and controlling public policy and making decisions in Waco, Texas, that would leave seventy-six dead.'

He goes onto say that she ordered then attorney general Janet Reno and her deputy Webb Hubbell, according to an investigation set up after the tragedy.

Stones says: 'Senator Arlen Specter, who headed a Senate panel investigating the Waco incident, told me that the credible testimony indicated that Hillary Clinton gave the 'go order' to Janet Reno and Webb Hubbell.'

The book quotes from the Academy Award nominee 1999 documentary Waco: The Rules of Engagement where film director Michael McNulty spoke to House of Representatives investigator T. March Bell about who really ordered the final murderous assault on the Branch Davidians.

Bell recalled: 'One of the interesting things that happens in an investigation is that you get anonymous phone calls. And we in fact received anonymous phoned calls from Justice Department managers and attorneys who believe that pressure was placed on Janet Reno by Webb Hubbell, and pressure that came from the first lady of the United States…

Bell said Mrs Clinton grew more and more impatient as the Waco standoff came to dominate the headlines during the early months of the Clinton administration.

It was she, Bell's sources claims, who pressured a reluctant Janet Reno to act.

Reno was ordered to go ahead with the murderous tank and CS gas assault that resulted in 76 Branch Davidians - men, women, children, and babies - being crushed, asphyxiated, or burned-up in an inferno.

Whether the Branch Davidians played a role in starting those fires as a desperate defense mechanism matters not; it was Hillary Clinton who forced the issue and who should be held responsible for the murders.

Stone is not the first to implicate Clinton, but also Linda Tripp, a civil servant who worked in the White House Counsel's Office, says she has blood on her hands.

In 2001, she spoke to CNN's Larry King Live and says the late deputy of the counsel Vince Foster was greatly disturbed by the tragedy and deaths, and the part he'd played in it, as he too had suffered apparent pressure from Clinton to find a quick solution to the siege.

'A special bulletin came on showing the atrocity at Waco and the [dead] children. And his face turned white, and he was absolutely crushed knowing, knowing the part he had played. And he had played the part at Mrs Clinton's direction,' said Tripp.

'Her reaction, on the other hand, was heartless.'

Just five months later, Foster was found dead, shot in the mouth, in a Virginia park.


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